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The Difference Between The Tea Party And Occupy Wall St.

The Tea Party was a slickly packaged corporate product that needed two years and millions of dollars to get off the ground. A grassroots movement that was quickly co-opted and turned into a vehicle for right wing propaganda. An entire “news” network became its mouthpiece and cheerleader, sometimes literally. Through a massive, concerted and coordinated effort, the Tea Party shifted the blame from the banks that caused the economic meltdown to the government and President Obama that kept the meltdown from turning into a Great Depression.

Occupy is an actual grassroots movement that has not been co-opted by corporations. Its money came from donations from regular people. There was no slick packaging and no news network became the “Home of the Occupy Movement.” It’s a bunch of people camping out, chanting, playing drums and getting beat up by the police. Despite the lack of corporate focus, money and advertising, Occupy changed the conversation from “How shall we punish the poor and middle class for the excesses of the rich and powerful?” back to “How shall we get  the rich and powerful to pay their fair share and reduce their control of OUR government?”

And they did it in three months.

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12 thoughts on “The Difference Between The Tea Party And Occupy Wall St.

  1. Over the weekend I happened to watch The Dark Crystal again, the Skeksis really do remind me of the Tea Party–deny everything and blame the other side.

  2. Could you give me your references on how the Tea Party began? Fox News never has commentator from the right on without including an invitation to the left to be represented. I hear many liberals espouse their cause on that network. I think that is why it is the most watched of all news channels.

    The Occupy Movement had none other than the president’ people like Nancy Pelosi’s, and the mainstream media praising the effort.

    Some other differences in the two movements includes the behavior people who are present at the meetings. The Tea Party always cleaned up their own trash before leaving an area, never had food or santitation supplies furnished as freebies, and went home when the rally or meeting ended where for the vast majority there was or is a stack of bills to pay. If there were any rapes, or fights, or misconduct, I haven’t actually seen that except in one case where a man holding a sign was attacked.

    • Let me know when Nancy Pelosi’s Occupy bus tour rolls around to your city. I do recall several buses paid for by Freedomworks and other corporate donors for the Tea Party as well as Fox News sponsoring Tea Party rallies. They actually called it “Fox News Tea parties”. Let me know when you find an MSNBC Occupy Rally.

      While you’re searching for that, find a single rape that occurred at an Occupy even that was actually caused BY the Occupy Movement. By your childish rationale, any rape that occurs in the Fox News building or within three blocks of it is the fault of Fox News. Good luck explaining that.

      • What about the sources?

      • http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party

        http://pedalingfast.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html

        Here’s the part where you deny that it’s true. While you’re doing that, don’t forget to find me that Pelosi sponsored bus, the MSNBC Occupy parties and explain how the rapes were actually a part of Occupy.

        Good luck!

      • Must you sponsor a bus to support a movement. She supported it with statements, as did many others. I am not sure who bused the food, tents, flashlights, etc. to the Occupiers. The right wing blogs say that it was union money. I don’t accept that as proof on either side. I don’t want to be difficult, but I already knew that Media (doesn’t) Matter and other propaganda blogs try to tie the Tea Party to big business. I just haven’t seen the evidence of that. I was a part of the first Tea Parties. There was little to no money at all and what was used was raised locally.

        You brought up the the rape in the occupier movement. I only said this did not occur in the Tea Parties.

        To this day it puzzles me why the Occupy people hate the Tea Party movement. I wonder how much people really know about it other than what the propaganda mills are producing. I wonder how many who write about it have attended a meeting.

        I know why Washington hates the movement. It would seriously cut into their slush fund if the movement is successful in lowering taxes.

      • “Must you sponsor a bus to support a movement. She supported it with statements, as did many others” Ah, yes but that is ALL she did. I don’t see you complaining about the GOP verbally supporting the Tea Party. On the other hand, I showed you that the TP has corporate sponsors in the form of Freedomworks with its national bus tour. Since you have not shown me the Occupy equivalent, I’ll take that as a concession that you cannot.

        “The right wing blogs say that it was union money. I don’t accept that as proof on either side.” Rumor and you acknowledge it. And if you don’t accept my evidence as proof then you must explain the national bus tour. Who paid for it? Donations? We both know that isn’t true.

        “You brought up the the rape in the occupier movement. I only said this did not occur in the Tea Parties.” Oh? You DIDN”T mean to contrast the Tea Party with Occupy? OK, then please explain, in detail, why a lack of rapes at Tea Party events is relevant to this discussion if it has nothing to do with Occupy. If you mention any rapes or violence at the Occupy protests than you will have admitted that you fully intended to slander Occupy. Failure to address this point will mean that you are conceding that is precisely what you tried (and failed) to do and you are now being disingenuous.

        Now, back to Fox News. You were complained about “the mainstream media praising the effort.” I showed you a screen shot of “FNC Tax Day Tea Parties.” First, where’s your outrage that Fox News would SPONSOR or otherwise claim ownership of a political movement and Second, where’s the “liberal” media sponsoring, promoting, supporting or otherwise claiming ownership of Occupy events?

        Here’s the picture again in case you forgot to look at it last time: http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fox-20090408-opposition2.jpg

        And in case you’re tempted to use the worn out “Fox News opinion guys” argument. See that guy in the upper left hand corner? That’s Neil Cavuto. He’s supposed to be a hard news guy, not opinion. I don’t know who the woman is but she’s also not one of their “opinion” people.

        If you fail to address Fox News’ blatant political involvement without providing an example of a “liberal” media equivalent then you will have conceded this part of the argument as well.

        Good luck!

      • It isn’t my place to defend Fox News and I do not want to argue with you.

        I will ask you who paid for the Occupy buses and supplies? Not that they do not have the right to do that, they do.

        The Republican party has more members who have taken the position that lowering taxes helps the economy. Democrats want taxes raised, so more Republicans support the movement than Democrats. Thank God there are still some politicians who will at least give lip-service to tax relief. I have no problem with those who support relieving the tax burden on working Americans speaking out. I hope the Tea Party can get more Democrats on board. Fox News has the same right to involve themselves in conservative movements that CNN, NBC, ABC, MSNBC and CBS have. I do not go to Media Matters site anymore. I realize who and what they are and I do not support them. I do not want to shut them down, I just do not wish to be a part of their cause. I believe in first admendment rights for everyone, including Fox News and the Tea Party.

        The Tea Party movement swept America and was gaining traction. It had to be squashed for the “powers that be” to continue their tax and spend agenda. I find that pretty sad.

      • “It isn’t my place to defend Fox News and I do not want to argue with you.” Translation: I cannot find a “liberal” media equivalent despite insisting that Occupy is being promoted by them so I dfo not want to talk about this anymore.

        “I will ask you who paid for the Occupy buses and supplies? Not that they do not have the right to do that, they do.” Translation: I cannot find a liberal corporate sponsor like the Freedomworks National bus tour so I do not want to talk about this anyymore.

        Nothing about the rapes that you brought up for apparently no reason? Translation: I was trying to smear Occupy and did a poor job of pretending I wasn’t. I no longer want to talk about this.

        Well, that pretty much wraps that up. Translation: You’re not here to have an honest debate, you are here to spout talking points you read at a different website or heard on TV and do not actually understand what you are talking about. You will repeat, over and over, that the Tea Party fought for lower taxes when they already pay lower taxes than at any point in the last 30 years and that the evil government shut it down. You have nothing to add to the conversation except deceit and obfuscation.

        Unless you would care to explain the rape statement?

        No? Didn’t think so. We’re done here.

  3. I should have said “political” instead of “conservative” movements when speaking of media getting involved.

    • How a liberal argues – Reword everything the other person says to make it fit your narrative and ignore all facts.

      Frankly, I do not care who donated money for the bus-tour as long as it wasn’t tax payer dollars and I have no reason to believe it was. Anyone who wants to support a cause and donate may do so in most cases in the U.S.A. If we are going to play the game of looking at who supports one group, the other group should be examined, however.

      I hope Fox News continue to support and give fair coverage to the movement. It will be the only major media place where we are treated with fairness, so I am thankful there is at least one outlet that still reports what happens in America with fairness.

      Why I stated that Tea Party participants did not have ‘rapes’ occurring: I actually think it is to their credit that the conduct of participants did not involve law-breaking, harm others, or cost citizens anything in clean-up or court fees to defend the participants. Yes, it is true that these things happened with the Occupy Movement. Everyone already knows this. I am not telling you anything that you did not know. Considering all of the good things about the Tea Party movement, why are you so against Tea Party participants?

      Now I am done here.

      • “How a liberal argues – Reword everything the other person says to make it fit your narrative and ignore all facts.” Funny, I copied and pasted your own words. Is it my fault that you can’t back up your assertions? If you can’t prove your point, you probably shouldn’t make it, yes?

        “Frankly, I do not care who donated money for the bus-tour as long as it wasn’t tax payer dollars and I have no reason to believe it was. Anyone who wants to support a cause and donate may do so in most cases in the U.S.A. If we are going to play the game of looking at who supports one group, the other group should be examined, however.” But you think the Tea Party is a “greassroots” movement, don’t you? Now you don’t care if it’s corporate backed? Doesn’t that undermine its “citizen outrage” message? Of course, the reality is that you don’t care because it’s a known fact the Tea Party (at least the most public aspect of it) is owned by corporate interests and since you have nothing more than rumors about Occupy, you suddenly “don’t care.” How pathetic.

        “I hope Fox News continue to support and give fair coverage to the movement. It will be the only major media place where we are treated with fairness, so I am thankful there is at least one outlet that still reports what happens in America with fairness.” So what you’re saying is that if MSNBC actually organized and promoted Occupy events you wouldn’t be shrilly denouncing them as biased? Let’s take a look at what you’ve said already:

        “The Occupy Movement had none other than … the mainstream media praising the effort.” Funny, you seem to be upset that the “mainstream media” seems to be supporting Occupy. They’re not, but let’s skip that part. Why is it OK for Fox to ORGANIZE and CLAIM OWNERSHIP and GO ON STAGE at Tea Party events but the “mainstream media” can’t “praise the effort?” Not that they are, but even if they did, it would still be far less than what Fox has done. Nice double standard you have there, hypocrite.

        “Why I stated that Tea Party participants did not have ‘rapes’ occurring: I actually think it is to their credit that the conduct of participants did not involve law-breaking, harm others, or cost citizens anything in clean-up or court fees to defend the participants. Yes, it is true that these things happened with the Occupy Movement. Everyone already knows this. I am not telling you anything that you did not know. Considering all of the good things about the Tea Party movement, why are you so against Tea Party participants?” Ah, thank you for admitting that your specific intent was to contrast with Occupy, which makes you a liar for trying to deny it. You could pretend that you were just saying it because it’s “to their credit that the conduct of participants did not involve law-breaking” but you wouldn’t be fooling anyone. No one has ever looked at a protest movement and thought, “boy, those people sure are good at not raping anyone.”

        So far you are a liar, a hypocrite, and a willing corporate tool. Yup, you’re a conservative.

        NOW, you’re done here. Ciao.

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